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    peggyrothschild
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    While driving back to Lawrence, Kansas yesterday we stopped at a small railroad museum in Ellis, Kansas. Out back there were two former Mopac Mail storage cars. The guys at the museum said they were originally at Hoisington on an abandoned track and the local track gang built a track to the main line and the cars were moved to the museum. Under the weathered paint the original number was 161. According to Ron Merrick these cars were used in freight service in their later years to haul hay around Wichita, Kansas.

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    #7227
    bargetanika
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    Were these cars’ existence unknown until now?

    #7229
    peggyrothschild
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    @Patrick wrote:

    Were these cars’ existence unknown until now?

    Pat
    I doubt it, as you can tell they are in pretty plain sight in a wide open field. The car that always escaped me was an open end heavyweight observation car that was in MoW service sitting on a track in Herman, Missouri. It was getting dark so I didn’t take a photo. We drove back there about a month later and the car was gone. Never saw it since and always wondered what its former number was.

    Quality Craft made an HO kit of these cars in 1970. They were wood with cast metal ends. Bill Herbert built one but substituted plastic for the wood shapes and may have written an article in the Eagle on his methods.

    #7231
    clemmie_doris12
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    I saw these cars in Ellis when I was making regular trips between Kansas City and Denver in 2004.

    #7236
    kenris
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    MoPac built these cars not only to replace aging heavyweight mail storage cars, but to take advantage of Post Office contracts that paid the railroads by the linear-foot of mail hauled, not weight or volume. Hence, these cars with 8-foot interior height earned as much revenue as a car with a 10-foot interior (such as the ACF “economy” storage cars). The cars were also built by MoPac forces and were less expensive than cars from ACF or Pullman-Standard. Had not the Post Office pulled mail contracts from the railroads in 1968, this type of car may have seen wider use by other railroads.

    #7237
    alexortiz25
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    I just saw one of the old Quality Craft kits for this car at a hobby shop in San Diego for less than $30.00. Almost picked it up, however isn’t appropriate for my 1929 era.

    #7239
    bargetanika
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    DR says: ” MoPac built these cars not only to replace aging heavyweight mail storage cars, but to take advantage of Post Office contracts that paid the railroads by the linear-foot of mail hauled, not weight or volume”

    Maybe they should have hauled mail in covered gondolas to make even more money!

    #7300
    benjamintickell53
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    I despised these cars back in the day, viewing them as glorified boxcars in passenger service. At the time, I thought that piggyback cars, trains with 10-15 Railway Express, PRR and other assorted baggage cars, and these mail storage cars really looked sorry, compared to the Texas Eagles which until 1969 still had a lengthy, dignified passenger train appearance. Now, almost 50 years later, I wish that I had taken a lot more photos and gathered a lot more paper documentation on the mail trains — they were the more interesting operation, every consist different, while the Eagles were rather predictable.

    Bill Pollard

    #7302
    kenris
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    The 70′ lightweight mail car was also instantly recognizable. It’s very easy to spot those cars in a train consist whether on the MoPac or a connecting road. You don’t need to see the letterboard to know it’s a MoPac car.

    #8634
    peggyrothschild
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    Just making these photos an active topic as we have 12 resin kits ordered for the Missouri Pacific Historical Society store. The steam lines had been removed. It was too dark for underside photos with my cell phone camera

    #8635
    princessclyne69
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    Re the underbody detail on these cars —

    The diagram says the brake gear is AB-1B. I recall a post from Dennis Storzek on STMFC or somewhere on exactly what it is. From memory, it’s basically the same as a freight car AB brake with a few enhancements that might not be visible from trackside.

    And of course, there’s the steam line, which was wrapped with asbestos insulation. I’m not positive about the line size or the insulation thickness, but I believe you’d end up with an effective 4″ diameter or so line under the car. MoPac had the steam line running close up under the floor from each end through the bolster, then dipping down a few feet past the truck so that it cleared the crossbearers. And of course the steam connection was on the left side of the coupler at each end, so it also crossed over the centersill. As such, it’s pretty visible under these cars.

    RG7

    #8637
    princessclyne69
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    The Screaming Eagles site on Trainweb, created by Todd Grueter, has a lot of useful photos. In particular,

    http://www.trainweb.org/screamingeagle/mow4.html

    has several good underbody photos taken by the late Elvin Klepzig of a car that had all its original underbody equipment. Even the steam line is intact, except for the Barco joint being removed and the line capped off. There’s even some weathered asbestos in one view.

    It’s pretty apparent where the air reservoir and the brake valve are in those photos, but it’s less obvious to me exactly where the brake cylinder is.

    RG7

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