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August 7, 2021 at 9:45 pm in reply to: New book “Selected Photographs from the Missouri Pacific Historical Society Archives #10226bargetanikaParticipantI’ll take one. Any NOT&M going to be in it?
bargetanikaParticipanthttps://www.ebay.com/itm/294211766933?hash=item4480634a95:g:hj0AAOSwpc5gw5ak
For real stand-up guys. Does this thing have a known prototype?
bargetanikaParticipantThe Tsunami2-2 matches for those are 39, the Nathan 5 chime and 76, the replica long bell 6 chime.
66/67, the Frisco 6 chimes, are similar to the rizzoli 5 chime.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/33/Wiki_6_chime_b.jpg
I don’t think the two rizzoli sound samples for 5 chime and 6 chime were the only sounds on the MP. Studying photographs reveals diversified heights of these multi cell whistles, meaning variations in pitch even if the relative tuning stayed the same.
bargetanikaParticipantWhen I was little, both the T&NO and the MP back home in new Iberia LA were still in steam, the MP till 1954 I think and the T&NO till late 1956. We lived equidistant from each line so I know I heard each railroad, and I remember the sounds quite well. I heard mostly high pitched 5 chimes but do recall a couple of 6 chimes.
The 5 chime sounds I heard were mostly pretty close to number 45 on the TSU 2200, oddly called a Reading 6 chime, but whistle 19, a D&RGW 5 chime, is almost identical. Whistles 37 and 38, called Nathan 5 chimes, actually resemble the deep toned 6 chimes I heard in the night.
There’s no telling which railroad these sounds came from. But even at that age I was paying a lot of attention to trains, so there’s some chance thst MP
engines were in the mix.bargetanikaParticipantDoes this whistle collector have any MP 5 chimes or 6 chimes? If so, they ought to be blown on air and recorded. Compressed air doesn’t give the same full tone as steam, but we could hear what the tuning is.
There are three or four Nathan choices in the Tsunami2-2 2200. To me, whistles 37 and 38, Nathan 5 chimes, sound too deep toned for 5 chimes, may have been recorded on low pressure, but they sound like 6 chimes to me. 39 is a nicely tuned 5 chime.
I also really like numbers 66 and 67, the Frisco 6 chime, and use them on my MP engines all the time. But I also use nearly all the 5 chime and 6 chime choices at times.
bargetanikaParticipantSingle bell whistle. On the Mopac, only on the oldest engines although I think I saw a 4-8-0 with a short one.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Wiki_short_long_whistle.jpg
Three chime whistle. Most had flat tops. These were in favor until around maybe 1910. Steamboat whistles were large, very long 3 chimes.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Wiki_single_bell_chime_image.jpg
5 chime/6 chime whistle. Began to find favor after 1900. The 6 chime is usually longer to add a deeper note to the 5 chime sound; these are the “moaning” whistles. Many roads used the mellower 6 chimes for passenger engines but the MP put them on everything including switchers.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Wiki_6_chime_b.jpg
Study prototype photographs. Identify the whistle type and listen to the (admittedly model) whistle sounds on this website:
https://soundtraxx.com/reference/sound-samples/tsunami2-steam-sounds
Match the whistle type to the appropriate sound samples, there will be several. Pay no attention to the road name given, we will never know exactly how MP whistles were tuned. If you have the Tsunami2-2, Pick the one out of the appropriate type selections that you like best. No one will be able to fault you.
bargetanikaParticipantbargetanikaParticipantThere’s a whole lot more pictures up on net. Google water tower Alamogordo and they’ll pop up.
bargetanikaParticipantStill in Alamogordo NM.
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bargetanikaParticipantHow did you make those cuts and what tools did you use.
bargetanikaParticipantI already asked Accurail about a Gulf Coast Lines version and they said Maybe.
bargetanikaParticipantCharlie, wouldn’t the track profiles be useful in creating an accurate model railroad? Online customers, siding locations and capacities, water tank and depot locations, and on. My Gulf Coast Lines profile book is a gold mine. The poster could get an idea of what on line traffic was generated where, what other roads interchanged where that would deliver or receive freight, etc etc.
Access by the poster to such information is another question since few books probably survive.
bargetanikaParticipantI don’t know anything about the bridge at all but a good strategy might be similar to what is called good police work. First, find out what railroad this actually was, it might not be the MP and could be a predecessor road to whoever it was at the end. Then, try to locate construction data and contracts to find out who physically built that section of road, bearing in mind that the bridge that’s there today may be a replacement of an original as often happened. If the road abandonment was recent enough, an ex employee or someone may still be alive who remembers information, although the possibility recedes every day. To wit:
At this late date I wonder all the time about how MP passenger service was handled in my home town before it was discontinued in 1935. The (now removed) track layout and (still standing) freight depot location don’t support any theory very easily. No separate passenger station shows on historic maps. And the freight house is at the end of what was a quite long dead end industrial spur line. When I was a kid in the early 60’s I could have asked anyone about it, including my father who moved there in 1933. But I didn’t realize the value of an interview. Today it is a mystery wrapped in an enigma wrapped in more mystery.
Pat Flory
bargetanikaParticipantProtection power for the Coast Daylight. Picture those drivers doing 80.
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