[madonnasuffolk30]

I have the condensed track profiles for the area you’re looking for. Who are you as I’ll be at the MPHS convention at least two of the days.

Nate

[madonnasuffolk30]

Steve,

Athearn didn’t want to do any new tooling so the GP18s are accurate from circa 1962/4ish to 1967/70ish depending on which road number. These all received low noses and 2000 gallon fuel tanks when modified.

Nate

[madonnasuffolk30]

I mean this as no offense, but I DO NOT want Hubert to make a decal of it. The reason is someone posted the image on a Facebook group and then stated that it’s from a group of Mopac boxcars the ICG purchased. They had no factual information on it and people took it as gospel and started to spread it. I reached out to Dan, who’s a ICG fan and he said there is NO RECORD of the ICG purchasing any Mopac 40′ box cars and then told me what I posted here. I went as far as providing the Mopac car numbers counts for that series for the year prior and year after plus the ORES data and the guy who posted it response was “well I was told it was an ICG box car so it must be an ICG box car”. Basically my reasoning for no replication of it is that we so far removed from the history that someone sees the caption or the image and believes it as fact and not just shenanigans.

I know there are images of Mopac equipment with ATSF in a buzzsaw logo on it for a planned ATSF merger which didn’t happen.

Nate

[madonnasuffolk30]

Additional photo links to KOG silver box cars – and a ton of other KOG information.

https://condrenrails.com/FSVB/Midland%20Valley/Freight-Cars.htm

Nate

[madonnasuffolk30]

Per Dan Kohlberg: The MoPac boxcar with the ICG I-Ball sticker applied is simply RR Employee shenanigans. That image has been around a long time on Elwood Fallen Flags, and I recall seeing the image in the 90s, maybe at a slide show or something similar.

Nate

[madonnasuffolk30]

Ron,

Attached are the both sides of the car in question. Also another car from the series that was repainted.

Nate

[madonnasuffolk30]

Ryan,

The cars turned out nice. What did you use for the outlet gates? I don’t believe that’s stock.

The link showing 706185 would be a PS 1969-built 3010 cuft covered hopper. Car series 706100-706299. Just a few roads rostered the car so there isn’t a high likelihood of one being produced, but there is a manufacturer who has been on a PS kick that might be up their alley.

Nate

[madonnasuffolk30]

No problem. I forgot to add they would have been “MP”initialed cars – I believe since 1956.

Nate

@delisle wrote:

Thank you Nate

[madonnasuffolk30]

Andrew,
The cars would have been renumbered in the general 1963 fleet renumbering to the 6-digit series.

STLB&M 18000-18249 and STLB&M 18250-18449 were renumbered to 124540-125104.

STLB&M 18465-18599 renumbered to 126330-126456.

I-GN 18800-18999 became 125115-125307.

Nate

[madonnasuffolk30]

I haven’t seen a MP version of the Accurail 2-bay ACF to see which road numbers they selected, however without an upper rib stiffener, the model would appears to represent an ACF 2970 of which the Mopac only had 100 – T&P 706000-706099 later MP 706000-706099. No C&EI cars. The C&EI cars were ACF 2971 cuft which which were over 3 feet longer than a 2970. I haven’t seen a post about accuracy/review of the car. Athearn also produces the ACF 2970 and just recently announced a new run of the Mopac cars – I think 5 total cars.

Nate

[madonnasuffolk30]

Tru-color Mopac covered hopper gray is matched from a drift card and would be my recommendation.

Nate

@[email protected] wrote:

I’ll be painting a couple of these Intermountain models in either MP 705500-705999 or 706800-706999 as delivered. These cars were delivered in what looks like a very light gray, almost white. Is there a good starting point for that color? Maybe match the paint on an existing model?

[madonnasuffolk30]

Hubert does a good job of replicating the Mopac font. Any of the covered hopper decal should work for your use to change the numbers as the font was standardized across the freight equipment. I agree, the P2K lettering is all over the place.

Nate

[madonnasuffolk30]

Charlie,

There is a yard map book from 1928 that I believe will have it. If you don’t have the book, I can send it to you.

Nate

[madonnasuffolk30]

Ron,

Intermountain is doing the former Red Caboose 40′ welded side boxcar? Is that the ones with 8′ door built by ACF? I haven’t seen that one yet.

Nate

@mopacfirst wrote:

This model is noted on IM’s site as ‘numbers 25-30’. In other words, the same inaccurate item that they’ve always sold. Looking at other similar models, it’s apparent that they don’t change the art on prototypes that carried several different paint schemes over the years, which is no doubt self-defeating. Evidently they don’t get that a different paint scheme would likely draw many more sales than just the same thing with different numbers.

We did receive positive responses and an updated design sheet from them on two others, one of which I believe is the former Red Caboose 40′ welded side boxcar that has not been released yet (a model that got caught in the collapse of the Chinese manufacturer). Time will tell if that’s what actually gets produced.

A look at that car on the IM site, stock number RR-38703, shows a riveted car whose prototype was a DeSoto-built car. The lettering is much better than the art that was first posted, which is what prompted us to offer comments in the first place. The stock numbers would indicate that this car has already been released once (stock numbers 1-6 would have been the first ones). I don’t remember seeing this one before, though.

RG7

[madonnasuffolk30]

This is a reply from Bob Currie – former Mopac engineer.

Bob said you’re asking about the Orange & Northwestern, which ran from Orange to Newton. The MP leased their track from Mauriceville to Bessmay to the Sabine River & Northern and abandoned the track from Bessmay to Newton. That was the setup When I hired out in 1972. The SRN had a paper plant in Orange and hauled pulpwood and wood chips from the Santa Fe interchange at Bessmay to Orange. We also hauled pulpwood and wood chips and interchanged them to the SRN at Mauriceville. That’s about the extent of my knowledge of any operations. The Santa Fe hauled a lot of pulpwood and woodchips to their paper mill in Evadale. If you would pass this on I would appreciate it. You can tell him to research the Orange & Northwestern RR and the Sabine River & Northern.

Nate

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