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January 18, 2019 at 5:41 pm #6202trenaParticipant
Hi, I’m trying to find out what roads the KO&G interchanged with, and where.
Also, the builder’s photo for the KO&G F7s is in a black and gold scheme, but they were painted in MoPac blue and white. Can you explain the difference?
If anyone has any other info on the Muskogee lines, it would be greatly appreciated.
January 18, 2019 at 7:19 pm #9226peggyrothschildParticipantJames
Here’s a snap shot from an early equipment register dated 1916.
[attachment=0:2uhlhbyh]fullsizeoutput_f3b.jpeg[/attachment:2uhlhbyh]Lloyd Stagner wrote a book on the Midland Valley titled ‘Midland Valley Rails for Coal, Cattle and Crude’. Unfortunately he did not cover the KO&G. Mopac in Color Volume 1 by Jim Boyd has a nice chapter on the Muskogee Roads. The Missouri Pacific Historical Society published a book on Mopac cabooses written by Jerry Michels that had a chapter on KO&G/MV cabooses.
If you model in HO scale the Missouri Pacific Historical Society has a very nice decal set for the KO&G/MV.
As the your question on the F-7’s – these were ordered to match the MP and T&P F unit fleets as the three roads had a run thru train from KC to Ft. Worth.
Gary Herron is on the BB and probably has more details on your questions.
January 21, 2019 at 4:08 am #9248Joseph BerryParticipantJames,
In addition to what Charlie has mentioned in his post, I can include some links to sites that contain a lot of information
on the Muskogee Roads. None of these sites are mine, but all are great reference material.I have never seen any photo’s or paintings of Muskogee Roads F units in any kind of black and gold paint scheme…just the blue and grey used by the MP and T&P. I did see a painting of three F units in a black and red scheme on a calendar.
Unfortunately, I don’t own a calendar like that…I think it was from 1949??? And it was probably just someone’s idea of how the F units would look if painted to match the Geep’s and the switch engine.The link to Mike Condren’s site does have a section on the F units that has photo’s of the ‘as delivered’ paint scheme. as well as ‘in service’ photo’s later in their careers. Also, several timetables and other documentation is on his site as well as the others listed.
Muskogee Roads Site. Mike Copndren:
https://condrenrails.com/FSVB/Midland-Valley.htm
https://condrenrails.com/FSVB/Midland%20Valley/MV-Historical-Info.htmOverall Site:
https://condrenrails.com/railroad-pages.htmlScreaming Eagles Site on TrainWeb:
http://www.trainweb.org/screamingeagle/history_ko&g.htmlEnjoy,
Gary H. -
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