[Dennis Faircloth]

This is fantastic film from the late 1940s. From 17:10 to 25:00 time are operations through the entire process at the Herculaneum, MO, lead smelter. Also of interest is the method of loading lead concentrate into boxcars (later to be replaced by gondolas). This film also has some of the only footage I have found of the large caverns in some of the Old Lead Belt mines, where one could see mine trains on 3 working levels at once. Missouri Pacific and Missouri-Illinois served many of the Old Lead Belt mines and the smelter at Herculaneum.

[Dennis Faircloth]

Swiped from Tom Austin’s FB post….touch the photo to see a crisper view.

[Dennis Faircloth]

I would like to know how you folks modeled the marker light brackets at the front corners of the hood. A distinctive feature of MP switchers.

[Dennis Faircloth]

Joe Pauley, would you post the track diagram here please?

[Dennis Faircloth]

That is disappointing that the kits are sold out already, as I was hoping to try kitbashing one of the cars modified for Armco coiled wire rod service. (Not wire, as it is often misidentified.) The Tangent models bulkhead side cutouts, both in size and quantity, and do not match the Armco cars I have photos for.

[Dennis Faircloth]

Those are certainly good observations Kevin. Here is some additional info….

You are correct that the “UMS” and “SMU” symbols were not being regularly used in 1970….those trains were 201 (south) and 202 (north). Interestingly enough, the 9/1970 Circular 61 freight schedules for this pair of trains shows “201 (UMS)” and “202 (SMU)” on the schedule titles, so at least from a service planning perspective, the UMS and SMU symbols existed as far back as 1970.

These schedules also note “This train is operated in conjunction with Southern and Union Pacific with locomotives operating via all three carriers.” So at this time, there was a locomotive run-through agreement in place.

When the MP converted to a mostly all-letter symbol system in 1974, the run through agreement with UP and Southern was not in effect, and so the UMS/SMU symbols did not show up until 2-15-1978, when run through schedules were re-established.

You have a good eye for freight cars….the 1970 schedule for #202 shows it picking up a block of cars at Memphis destined “Crane-Carthage, MO”, to be set out at AA Siding. (You will have to remind me what AA Siding was renamed.)

As to the MP local operating over the Frisco between Aurora and Springfield, the first run was June 4, 1972, using GP7s 211 & 213. This is based upon notes from Steve McVey.

[Dennis Faircloth]

Here is a Steve McVey photo from the same angle, December 1, 1974.

[Dennis Faircloth]

What year are you looking for? As we discussed in this forum back in February, I have the 1980 spotting book for Natchez and I can post the other maps that were not posted earlier.

Also, please sign your posts so that we can know whom to address with a reply.

[Dennis Faircloth]

The Drury in Mt Vernon was excellent. The evening kickback was another opportunity for conversation with fellow MPHS members.

[Dennis Faircloth]

Here is diagram from a 1980 ZTS book.

[Dennis Faircloth]

Pat – your previous thread on the Bayou Teche incident says it was #133 that went into the drink. EuDaly’s diesel book shows a retirement guess of “1975-1979” which does not really offer any useful leads. Do you have any printed references (newspaper, etc.) to the Bayou Teche incident?

The Morley bridge incident involved a GP35 and GP38. There is a previous thread on that one that diverged from Pat’s original thread.

[Dennis Faircloth]

MPHS Secretary Pat Hiatte saw a large group of folks standing in front of UP 1982 at Salem (IL) Yard and decided it was worth a photo…..

…and check out that convention shirt he is sporting…

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[Dennis Faircloth]

Missouri Pacific symbology on UP 1982

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[Dennis Faircloth]

Bill,

I just resent the file. Please reply to my email so I know it got to you.

[Dennis Faircloth]

Good detective work. I lived in Beaumont for several years and this is Gilbert Street. A couple of corrections on the trackage: this train is on the KCS mainline, which goes directly through downtown Beaumont. The MP (GCL) physically never went east of Beaumont, joining the KCS at Wall Street and using KCS tracks to reach DeQuincy, LA. The SP mainline ran north of downtown with their own lift bridge over the Neches River. The MP and SP were later consolidated into a single railroad corridor through Beaumont using portions of both SP and MP alignments, and both of those railroads using the KCS alignment through downtown and across the Neches River.

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