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madonnasuffolk30Participant
Pat,
I worked with Athearn on the Mopac Genesis GP7s. All 4 of the prototypes selected had the winterization hatch. I have photos of GP7s down in Louisiana with the hatch as they traveled and worked all over the system and they didn’t remove them based upon where they worked.
The 4 tall exhaust deflectors (spark arrestors) are for sparks which would start fires along the right-of-way. The engines would put out a considerable amount of hot carbon/exhaust. The Mopac experimented with the 4-stacks (liberated exhaust – normally the engines only had 2) to increase horsepower and efficiency – if I remember correctly.
The spark arrestor included with the model is from 1972 and on. There was an earlier spark arrestor that the Mopac had starting in the 60s, but no model of this type of arrestor is available.
To help you out with choosing a road number if you decide to purchase a model. The 3-digit numbers (165 and 168) would be accurate from 1967 until their retirement in December 1979. The only difference from when they first received Jenk’s blue would be the size of the road number on the side of the long hood (6″ tall circa 1962 to 8″ tall in 1967). The 4-digit locomotives would be accurate from 1974 to early 1977 when they were renumbered back to 3-digit numbers (600 and 603) to make room for new GP15-1s.
Hope this helps,
Natemadonnasuffolk30ParticipantBernard said he would post more photos when he gets time. He is currently remodeling his basement. He’s on Facebook also – which I forgot. His dad worked the Geneseo to Kanopolis switch engine and he has memories of riding the train with him. I’ve asked him if he could talk more about it.
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madonnasuffolk30ParticipantCharlie,
A few additional photos that he had scanned at the time I talked to Bernard. These are not steam, but are interesting shots from the 1960s. Seeing his dad’s photos, I sent him an email asking if he had a chance to scan anymore. Last I talked with him was 2015. His dad worked for the Mopac and he is a railfan.
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madonnasuffolk30ParticipantThat photo is of Bernard Albert Musselwhite standing by MP 1414 in Wichita. His son, Bernard Musselwhite has the original slide. Bernard asks to have his father’s photos credited – which I know no one probably knows since the photos can be found on the internet usually stripped of information. Attached is a photo Bernard Albert Musselwhite’ took in circa 1950 at McPherson, Ks showing 129 on the turntable. Plus a larger file of MP1414.
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madonnasuffolk30ParticipantCharlie,
I appreciate the information. Do you recall how common these types of shipments occurred? Was there any other commodity that operated like this or was it only lumber?
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madonnasuffolk30ParticipantPhoto of 1252 in June 1974 at Houston, Tx.
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madonnasuffolk30ParticipantCharlie,
I appreicate that you did this and shared it. I wonder if it’s something that Excel or Access could be used to set a format and built a database of the cars on the layout to quickly built work orders for various operating sessions. It’s nice to see what the work orders looked like also. I think I understand it, but have a question on what the “next destination” codes are. Would the IND LOC. be where a ZTS book would cross reference the spotting location? I may have to ask for a class on the TCS work order. Very interesting.
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madonnasuffolk30ParticipantThe undecorated kit is in stock. It was an oversight on part of the website and has been fixed. I ordered mine and will pick it up at the St. Louis RPM meet. Looking forward to seeing everyone there.
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madonnasuffolk30ParticipantMaybe I am not understanding or missing it, but does the online resource show the actual valuation maps? I’ve been to the national archives and viewed a few of the maps plus part of the merger documents. Are the maps available online for each division or only at the archives?
I went to the valuation report index for the Mopac and it shows Docket 1006; Volume 40V; page 249, however I am not finding this exact file.
Wish I had more time at the National Archives.
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madonnasuffolk30ParticipantOne possible reason David didn’t offer a “true” Mopac paint scheme is due to the Mopac cars being delivered with a combination (alternating) metal and wood bulkhead face. There are a couple builders photos from the MPHS archives that show this in detail. I sent the photos to David several years ago and he pointed out the bulkhead difference. The models are accurate for cars that had the bulkheads replaced to solid metal at some point – probably at time of repaint. I wanted to purchase undecorated kits to try to replicate the alternating face, but I believe they are already sold out.
Haven’t visited the forum for a while.
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madonnasuffolk30ParticipantKurt,
What I believe he’s asking is the P2K model itself accurate for the PS 4427 – not the road names/number specific. The answer would be yes, the 4427 model is accurate for the 1967-71 date range for when the 4427 was built.
I agree the selected road numbers are not 100% accurate – or replicate a later-in-life paint scheme. When I did my research on the selected road numbers, I also found that they should have been C&EI lettered cars as you noted.
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madonnasuffolk30ParticipantMaybe the listing was removed as I can’t find anything under that ebay listing number.
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madonnasuffolk30ParticipantPat,
According to “Missouri Pacific Diesel Power”, GP7 #333 was retired in 1980. It was renumbered at some point to 1783. I compared the photos of 333 and 1783 and it is the same engine.
Are you referencing the accident that occurred when the T&P ran a train through an open drawbridge at Morley, LA around 1973?
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madonnasuffolk30ParticipantI have a photo of MP 4309 – ex RI 4309 from May 1980 and it still has plows on both ends. It has the RI scheme, but with “The Rock” painted out on the long hood.
Also attached is a photo of MP 2241, which was CRIP 4303 photographed June 1980 in full MP paint and it has plows on both ends.
From what I’ve read, the MP purchased these locomotives (CRIP 4300-4351) in April/May 1980 and most if not all were repainted in the MP 2238-2289 series by the end of 1980. This is the reason for the U23B renumbering that occurred at the same time to the 4500 series.
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madonnasuffolk30Participantit’s Omaha.
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