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Ted FerkenhoffKeymaster
MPHS Secretary Pat Hiatte saw a large group of folks standing in front of UP 1982 at Salem (IL) Yard and decided it was worth a photo…..
…and check out that convention shirt he is sporting…
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Ted FerkenhoffKeymasterMissouri Pacific symbology on UP 1982
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Ted FerkenhoffKeymasterBill,
I just resent the file. Please reply to my email so I know it got to you.
August 5, 2017 at 2:00 pm in reply to: Photo of the Week 7/31/17 – EB Orleanean at Beaumont, TX #8430Ted FerkenhoffKeymasterGood detective work. I lived in Beaumont for several years and this is Gilbert Street. A couple of corrections on the trackage: this train is on the KCS mainline, which goes directly through downtown Beaumont. The MP (GCL) physically never went east of Beaumont, joining the KCS at Wall Street and using KCS tracks to reach DeQuincy, LA. The SP mainline ran north of downtown with their own lift bridge over the Neches River. The MP and SP were later consolidated into a single railroad corridor through Beaumont using portions of both SP and MP alignments, and both of those railroads using the KCS alignment through downtown and across the Neches River.
Ted FerkenhoffKeymasterHi Patrick,
The 1972 Summary of Equipment shows car series TP 821100-821199 built new by GSI in 1965. The attached equipment diagram seems to bear this out.
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Ted FerkenhoffKeymasterBill, I took a look through the digital archives. We have a stenciling drawing dated 9-28-1948 that states it is for all classes except “P” and “M”.
It has a specific note regarding the addition of the “R” to the 2-10-4 “I” class designations, so I am pretty confident this drawing covers them.Cab numbers: 16″ tall, 14″ wide
Sand dome numbers: 4″ tall
Tender lettering: 8″ tall
Tender end number: 6″ tallThe scan is too large for me to post here, and I cannot make a low res version without losing readable detail. I emailed the large PDF file to your Delta Models email address. If for some reason you cannot retrieve the file via email, let me know and I will send a link to my Dropbox folder.
Please let us know if this diagram is helpful.
Ted FerkenhoffKeymasterI had always heard that during the 1970s a couple of tracks in Osawatomie Yard were filled with cars with roller lumber, waiting to be sold and rebilled.
Ted FerkenhoffKeymasterDavid – can you post a photo, a link and/or give me a number series? I can keep my eye out for photos.
June 20, 2017 at 12:54 am in reply to: Photo of the Week 6/19/17 – Bayou Pierre, LA Paper Mill #8357Ted FerkenhoffKeymasterCharlie beat me to posting by about 10 minutes! His mention of Bayou Pierre was the key, as I had forgotten about that mill. I had eliminated Cypress Bend (near McGehee, AR); South Texarkana; Pine Bluff; Bastrop, LA; and Natchez, MS (gone now, but a good topic for another thread.) A Google Maps look verified the track arrangement.
A lot has changed since the photo. IP converted the mill from coal to natural gas, and the coal dump pit is filled in. The plant now is contract switched by WATCO.
Ted FerkenhoffKeymasterThanks David for indentifying the truck model….something just did not look right about the styling for a domestic-built Ford.
So there is a Manchester district and street in both Kansas City and St Louis. I am pretty familiar with the Manchester district in KC, and nothing in the photo lines up with that area. I am thinking this is St Louis near Chouteau Ave or Sarpy Ave area. I need a native who remembers the brick stack. That gray shape behind the first autorack is a grain elevator with Purina markings on top. So here are two more photos from different angles.
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Ted FerkenhoffKeymasterWhich specific types of cars in a brewery pool would be determined based upon interior cubic capacity. (Besides the requirement to be insulated.) Industries loading boxcars most often have specific loading patterns for palletized shipments and want to maximize the amount of product in a car, since it moves on a carload rate. I think you would be fairly prototypical in your pool by matching cars with similar interior capacity, without knowing specific cars assigned to the prototype pool.
Ted FerkenhoffKeymasterWelcome to the group Joe!
Ted FerkenhoffKeymasterTulsa’s connection to the MP is that it was also on the Midland Valley Railroad, along with Ft Smith and Muskogee. A portion of the line in Tulsa is still operated by the Tulsa-Sapulpa Union RR. I believe the depot at Jenks, OK, just east of Tulsa is still standing, not sure the status of the museum that was located there.
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Ted FerkenhoffKeymasterA lot of cars were assigned to pools managed by other railroads, for industries on that railroad. As an example, there were MP RBL’s in Southern’s pool for the Stroh’s brewery in Atlanta. I would imagine there were some MP cars in the pool for Miller’s facility in Milwaukee. MP cars would be in any pool for a Miller plant where MP participated in the routing of outbound traffic. I have dug around and not found any specific info on the assignments for ARMH RBL’s, but I continue to search.
As an aside – the AB brewery in Houston was served by MP. It was located on the Houston-North Shore route to Baytown, and served out of MK Yard.
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