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Mike, I agree with Charlie on this. All color photos I’ve seen of MP steam locomotives show a darker color than say an SP locomotive that had bright silver/aluminum color. My favorite for painting MP steam has always been Floquil Graphite with a bit or Roof Brown for a fresh-from-the-shops locomotive, and then adding a bit of Reefer White or SP Lettering Gray to let down the color for weathered locomotives. But, all color shades are subjective, especially when exposed the the elements for a long time.
As an aside, and to complicate the issue, it has always seemed to me that locomotive side rods were never a bright color. Some color movies, I believe that Joe Collias had, showed a definite cast to them, perhaps from the lubricating oil/grease and dirt they’d pick up. Of course this too would depend on how long the locomotive had been in service since its last shopping or washing.
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Jerry MichelsParticipantCharlie, Immediately above the cab number on steam locomotives is the E rating for bridges. To the right of that, above the last digit, and coming close to the end of the cab is the class, P-73. for example and the cylinder dimensions and other information. Jerry
Jerry MichelsParticipantHopefully some idea of the differences between the original and 1950s version will be forthcoming as The Coach Yard’s plans come together.
What I wonder is who might be providing information to Coach Yard? I was of the opinion the MPHS had a person who worked with companies. Perhaps not. But wouldn’t it be worthwhile for someone in the MPHS leadership to contact them?
I realize that brass is expensive, as it has always been. However with the Texas Eagle, Colorado Eagle and Delta Eagle already done, the Missouri River Eagle, in two versions no less, is kind of the crowing effort. I’ve been hoping for forty years for this train to be done. All I hope it that Walthers doesn’t do it six months later!
Note too, that you do not have to buy the full trains. Individual cars are available. Charlie mentioned a $6,000 price rage. I take it this come from recent MSRPs for such trains as the UP City of Los Angeles ( an 11-car train). Regardless, it will be expensive. But it will be magnificent!
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Jerry MichelsParticipantMark, are you building a model? Sunshine or F&C? I believe there was an interior shot of the panel-side gondola in a past issue of the Eagle, but the exact issue escapes me.
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Jerry MichelsParticipantNice track plan. An MR&BT 1920s era layout is going to be great! Jerry Michels
Jerry MichelsParticipantThis is well done Ron! Thanks for getting this information out. Jerry
Jerry MichelsParticipantRon, a friend of mine that passed away a few years ago, Virgil Young, simulated peeling paint by first painting a base color, then applying very lightly moistened oatmeal to the surface, letting it dry, then painting the top coat. Once it dried, the oatmeal can be brushed or rubbed off. It worked pretty well. The oatmeal can be left as is out of the box or ground up to a finer size. The irregular size of the flakes mimics the randomness of flaking paint.
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Jerry MichelsParticipantMy choice of BCR for MoPac cabooses is just a common term. There were many shade variations of this common reddish brown both as originally applied and as faded by sun and darkened by soot and dirt. In my opinion, unless you are intending on replicating a fresh from the paint shop caboose, the shade, within reason, is inconsequential. If you have a string of cabooses on a layout, varied shades of “BCR” will look more realistic than a string of glossy cabs in the “correct” color. Just my opinion. Jerry
Jerry MichelsParticipantI agree with Charlie, lacquer thinner works on this paint. Will probably need some scrubbing too since the paint is THICK. The main surprise you will have is the nasty solder joint that are uncovered. They are good joints, just ugly. The BCR paint you use to paint the cars will cover them nicely.
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Jerry MichelsParticipantHi Bill, Gene and I went through the manuscripts a number of times, and I think we got all the corrections made. I know we had Tony ready to pull his hair out with the corrections and additions. My surprise came from the rapid printing. I guess I am so used to delays getting the book out, the final notice was a shock. Jerry
Jerry MichelsParticipantHi deleslie,
The changeover from yellow to orange occurred around 1964. There was probably a mix of reefers painted in both schemes for awhile. As far as WADX and MODX reporting marks are concerned, these groups were owned by the respective railroads; WADX by Wabash/N&W and MODX by Missouri Pacific. When N&W dropped out of ART, they got the WADX cars. Why the Missouri Pacific relettered MODX into ARMN is not clear.
As an aside, if all goes well (keep your fingers crossed) we may have an ART book out with detailed rosters in the near future.
Jerry Michels
Jerry MichelsParticipantLong ago, when I was a more avid brass collector, I used to get a newsletter for a fellow who ran a company called Balls of Brass. One newsletter had a letter from a subscriber relating how he bought brass locomotives and let his dog play with the boxes after he removed the locomotives. I imagine hundreds of dollars were lost in the resale value of the locomotives without boxes. Sometimes my wife wonders why I have boxes of boxes in storage. one day, I think it will prove worthwhile. Like Charlie, I have been involved with widows and children of model railroaders who had terribly disorganized collections without boxes, and it is sheer hell trying to sort it all out, and find new boxes in which to put the models. Although most of our models are probably never going to appreciate in value, good records, such as an Excel spreadsheet and original boxes will make life easier for those who survive us.
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P. S., the seller with the scale test cars had more than one. I decided Bush, Illinois, needed one to test all the coal mine scales. Now I need number for the scale test cars. Anyone know of a 1950s era photo?
Jerry MichelsParticipantCharlie, this is a great “series” of text and photos about building a GP12. First, will it end up on the Bagnell Branch? Second, when you finish, can you combine all of this into a PDF we can use on the workbench (which could then be an Eagle article!). Jerry
Jerry MichelsParticipantPat, the terms used by eBay sellers are often inaccurate, but usually the best a seller can do if they are listing a lot of items they are unfamiliar with. Makes the hunt more interesting! I don’t think it indicates anything about general railroad knowledge, just being unfamiliar with terminology. In regard to shoving platform, you are most likely dealing with a British seller. Jerry Michels
Jerry MichelsParticipantNice model, and as you said Ron, could show up anywhere (such as scales in the Illinois Coal Field mines!). Sunset was around for a very long time. Did a huge number of SP brass locomotives, and the variants of the 2-10-2, including the MP version. Jerry Michels
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